What do us rare '86 guys do??

['86foxnprogress]

when our stock breaks start going bad and they need to be replaced or upgraded..

Maybe i haven't looked hard enough but there isn't ne thing in the magazines

[gabe18t]

Upgrade!

['86foxnprogress]

Upgrade!

no one makes breaks for the 86.. :thumbup:

[RoadRunner]

Are you looking for a BBK or just rotors and pads?

The common misconception that cross drilled and slotted rotors offer better braking is just that, a common misconception. Removing surface area of the rotor will REDUCE braking performance. These will IMPROVE racing applications, reducing brake fade and preventing glazing.

So, what are you looking for? Did you try to google it?

[RoadRunner]

I did a google and found several places offering a conversion to go to 5 lug, from there, you choose to use what brake system you want.

I'm not completely schooled on this, but in two minutes I found out more than I needed to know.

http://www.brothersperformance.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/1_10_816

[03scgt]

i assume your 5 lug swapped so

http://www.aerospacecomponents.com/front_brake_kits.htm

http://www.myhotmustang.com/Brakes/Custom-Brake-Kits/


both have some really nice stuff.I would look to upgrade to something like that stuff.

['86foxnprogress]

<-idiot forgot about the 5 lug conversion. thanks for the much needed answers..

now what.. 383 or 408w? -turbo?

[mpe331lx]

For a basic brake upgrade you can swap to 87-93 fox brakes:
87-93 v8 spindles, rotors, calipers, and hoses (depending on what struts you have, you may have to put a shim in between the strut and the spindle for it to fit). If you wanted to go with 5 lug, just use 1984 lincoln mark7 rotors. They are the same as 87-93 fronts except they are 5 lug.

For a better upgrade, 94-95 (sn95) spindles, hub assembly, rotors, calipers, and hoses. (it does not matter if it is a v6 or a v8, they have the same brakes)
You will need to use a spacer or a few washers under the lower ball joint nut for it to tighten down properly (the sn95 ball joint has a longer shank)

If you want to go with 13" cobra/bullit/mach1 brakes, you use the 94-95 spindles and hub assembly along woth cobra calipers, rotors and hoses.


You can use the 96-04 spindles, but you may run into clearance issues with the fender well. the 96-04 spindles push the wheels further out, giving the car a wider track.

[RoadRunner]

<-idiot forgot about the 5 lug conversion. thanks for the much needed answers..

now what.. 383 or 408w? -turbo?

Dude, I give you cool points for admitting that.

['86foxnprogress]

Dude, I give you cool points for admitting that.

well wont be the first time.. ill be the first to admit im retarded sometimes especially when it comes to dealing with cars and parts and the little nuts and bolts shit.. im talkin get me just a big ole tuff engine slap on some forced induction and run that puppy ta shiit

but seriously guys.. dss 383 or dss 408w.. both are going to have some kind of forced induction : ))

[RoadRunner]

Yeah, I'd get the 86 5.0 out of your car asap. It was an interesting engine... 20 years ago.

[03scgt]

dss makes nice heads and motors but there alittle expensive.i owuld think about doing a built 306 with a turbo and a c4 auto or tko tranny.or maybe a turbo 351 would do the trick.take it from me and stay away from the centri blowers they dont make a fun street car.so go with a turbo or some spray and have fun.

[Fo's 5.0]

Well if you swap over to 87 brakes for a fox you can put some nice aerospace front disc and pads on.. Thats what I got, saves some weight and does pretty decent for me...
If your going turbo you can stay 306 or so.. But if your gonna spray your gonna want to go 408.. And I want you to be at your best when we run....

[mpe331lx]

dss makes nice heads


DSS makes heads?

[03scgt]

not like a full casting like afr's or anything but they do make some nice setups.all they are is a set of reworked ford racings.my buddy will has them on is 00gt

http://www.dssracing.com/modular%20engines.htm

[RoadRunner]

I say stay on the 306 or possibly the 351 if you must and definitely turbo charge it.

I'm not a fan of superchargers.

Spray it all you want.

['86foxnprogress]

lol forrest you crack me up brother. Imma have to finish my dream build and go to bradenton for us to be able to have some fun.. actually get traction.. yaknow. i really really have my eyes set on the 408w. with all the videos ive seen on youtube lol i gotta have me one of those.. and with the ci bein up there.. slap a nice 91mm on it and call it a day.. gotta make sure to have a solid black and internals because i dont want to be scared about turnin up the boost if i need to. like for a special day at the track with my man forrest.. lol!

ps this isnt going to be a buget build. : )) this is a dream build!

[Fo's 5.0]

Lol
Your funny bro, The 408 is the shit!!!!!! If you got the cash that's the way to go.. Well good luck with that:thumbup:

[mpe331lx]

definitely turbo charge it.

I'm not a fan of superchargers.



Cause a supercharged Mustang can never be as fast as a turbocharged one:rofl1:

[frank]

460 twin turbo.

[03scgt]

Cause a supercharged Mustang can never be as fast as a turbocharged one:rofl1:


its true us blower cars are slow.i love how alot of the centri blower cars are the fastest in their class.:D

[02vortec]

You dont need a 408.... this is a 316 cubic inch motor with i believe only a 76 or 82mm turbo on pump gas and mild boost....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4nFmXpQs4g

Now take this car... put it on race gas and high boost.... do you really think you need more then that if this car is running with a 140+mph 1/4 mile motorcycle without even pushing it hard........

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Turbo-Mustang-destroys_5274.htm

LOL same car... I dont know of many cars that can make a KB cobra look this stupid with only 15psi... I dont think 22psi from the KB car would have made a difference.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/17Lb-KB-03-Cobra-vs-One_7652.htm

Last but not least......

Same car vs. Busa...
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/A-turbo-mustang-against-a_9144.htm

['86foxnprogress]

You dont need a 408.... this is a 316 cubic inch motor with i believe only a 76 or 82mm turbo on pump gas and mild boost....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4nFmXpQs4g

Now take this car... put it on race gas and high boost.... do you really think you need more then that if this car is running with a 140+mph 1/4 mile motorcycle without even pushing it hard........



yaa.. buuuut.. why not? if ya can.. :ugh2::tongue::sprachlos020:

[02vortec]

then why are you stopping with a 408 why not do waht frank said and do a 460 big block with twin 88mm's...... you know why people dont do that set-up.... because its not worth it especially not for a street vehicle and the maintenance would be fucking nuts along with the intial expense....

you have never riden in a 130mph trap car let alone a 150+mph trap speed car. Some of your buddies might have said they had one but you dont understand. You also dont understand how much work is involved in what your talking about and how much upkeep and adjustment there will be. to keep your car safe you will always be working on it every time you take it out adjusting the suspension etc.

im not saying you cant do it im just saying there is a reason for everything and many of these guys like the turbo mustang guy choose a smaller motor with boost. You dont need the 408w. I think it will be to damn much for the street. Hell all motor 408w guys already kick fucking ass. I would do a 351 @ most im just saying man. do what you want but a smaller motor + turbo will be more reliable more streetable and be plenty fast/

[DC2 T3G]

For a basic brake upgrade you can swap to 87-93 fox brakes:
87-93 v8 spindles, rotors, calipers, and hoses (depending on what struts you have, you may have to put a shim in between the strut and the spindle for it to fit). If you wanted to go with 5 lug, just use 1984 lincoln mark7 rotors. They are the same as 87-93 fronts except they are 5 lug.

For a better upgrade, 94-95 (sn95) spindles, hub assembly, rotors, calipers, and hoses. (it does not matter if it is a v6 or a v8, they have the same brakes)
You will need to use a spacer or a few washers under the lower ball joint nut for it to tighten down properly (the sn95 ball joint has a longer shank)

If you want to go with 13" cobra/bullit/mach1 brakes, you use the 94-95 spindles and hub assembly along woth cobra calipers, rotors and hoses.


You can use the 96-04 spindles, but you may run into clearance issues with the fender well. the 96-04 spindles push the wheels further out, giving the car a wider track.


yea what he said :)

[Fo's 5.0]

like I said in previous post if your going turbo, You should stick with 306 or 331.. But if your gonna spray it then go everybit of 408...

['86foxnprogress]

ya a turbo 408w.. i might as well build it for pro street lol i love the idea of a 351w in a fox. i drove a notch with a 351w in it right before i bought my car. but with a built 351w or if i get greedy and actually do the 408. i want to stay away from the bottle. just the original muscle car guy in me or somethin.. so im thinkin about a small psi supercharger set up..550-600 on motor and then add like 8-10 psi.. plus when this build is done the car is only gunna see street 1-2xs a week

i guess pretty much well see what happens. this is going to be a dream build gentlemen.. ne thing and everything i want : ))

[02vortec]

ya a turbo 408w.. i might as well build it for pro street lol i love the idea of a 351w in a fox. i drove a notch with a 351w in it right before i bought my car. but with a built 351w or if i get greedy and actually do the 408. i want to stay away from the bottle. just the original muscle car guy in me or somethin.. so im thinkin about a small psi supercharger set up..550-600 on motor and then add like 8-10 psi.. plus when this build is done the car is only gunna see street 1-2xs a week

i guess pretty much well see what happens. this is going to be a dream build gentlemen.. ne thing and everything i want : ))


lol 99% of original muscle guys would take a bottle over a turbo any day because its simple and it works just like the muscle car itself.... quit fucking calling yourself that.

['86foxnprogress]

lol 99% of original muscle guys would take a bottle over a turbo any day because its simple and it works just like the muscle car itself.... quit fucking calling yourself that.


LOL you and chris hate it when i say that lol yo man 383 15 psi? im gunna look up some vids i think that might be it.

[02vortec]

it doesnt matter the psi. The more effcient the motor the less boost you have to run. Some motors only need 9 or 10psi to make 700whp just depends on the combo.

your motor might take 20psi or 10psi to make the same power. Depends on tune, meth or no meth, how effcient the turbo system is, how effcient the motor is etc.

I only hate it because your not.

['86foxnprogress]

it doesnt matter the psi. The more effcient the motor the less boost you have to run. Some motors only need 9 or 10psi to make 700whp just depends on the combo.

your motor might take 20psi or 10psi to make the same power. Depends on tune, meth or no meth, how effcient the turbo system is, how effcient the motor is etc.

I only hate it because your not.

ok people now listen up! i want to take the time to show you all that this ^ is why i go to this kid for part, advice, help, etc. nigga is smart! you need to come over and we'll get real in depth about this.. cause this time is approaching quickly!

[RoadRunner]

Cause a supercharged Mustang can never be as fast as a turbocharged one:rofl1:

The word "cause" means to bring about an action or a result. Its use at the beginning of your statement is incorrect. You are looking for the word "because", which, very seldom, can used to start a full and complete sentence. Full and complete sentences seem much more intelligent when trying to prove a point.

I'm not a fan of superchargers period. Doesn't have anything to do with supercharged mustangs.

And pound for pound, you are right, they can't be. Superchargers us energy from the motor itself to create the forced air they put into the motor.

Turbochargers use wasted energy to create the forced air they put into the motor.

The pro's to superchargers are mainly that the power is more immediate, or with less "lag time", and they are easier to install. In a mustang however, the motor is large enough to spool turbo's rather quickly and a twin turbo system is not only possible, but, very successful. Learn how to drive properly and you'll be able to keep the turbo in it's spooling band and respectively the motor in it's power band.

In one simple phrase, I like turbochargers over superchargers because they are more efficient.

[mpe331lx]

The word "cause" means to bring about an action or a result. Its use at the beginning of your statement is incorrect. You are looking for the word "because", which, very seldom, can used to start a full and complete sentence. Full and complete sentences seem much more intelligent when trying to prove a point.

I'm not a fan of superchargers period. Doesn't have anything to do with supercharged mustangs.

And pound for pound, you are right, they can't be. Superchargers us energy from the motor itself to create the forced air they put into the motor.

Turbochargers use wasted energy to create the forced air they put into the motor.

The pro's to superchargers are mainly that the power is more immediate, or with less "lag time", and they are easier to install. In a mustang however, the motor is large enough to spool turbo's rather quickly and a twin turbo system is not only possible, but, very successful. Learn how to drive properly and you'll be able to keep the turbo in it's spooling band and respectively the motor in it's power band.

In one simple phrase, I like turbochargers over superchargers because they are more efficient.


Thank you for bringing me back to kindergatden, Douche.


As for turbo's bieng more efficient, that is true. They will make more power at an equal amount of boost.
With that bieng said, races are not one on a dyno, period. More than 75% of races that I have witnessed between turbo Cobras and KB cobras have had the KB car YANK the turbo car form a dig or a roll, the turbo car has to play catch up, and the race is over with the twin screw car ahead.

Price is another HUGE factor. I did A LOT of research before I made my descicion. For the single 88mm kit that I was looking for to get my full weight car into the nines, it would have cost around 10K. With the newer large disolacement twin screws, I knew that I could get the same or better performance for less than half the price.

['86foxnprogress]

The word "cause" means to bring about an action or a result. Its use at the beginning of your statement is incorrect. You are looking for the word "because", which, very seldom, can used to start a full and complete sentence. Full and complete sentences seem much more intelligent when trying to prove a point.

I'm not a fan of superchargers period. Doesn't have anything to do with supercharged mustangs.

And pound for pound, you are right, they can't be. Superchargers us energy from the motor itself to create the forced air they put into the motor.

Turbochargers use wasted energy to create the forced air they put into the motor.

The pro's to superchargers are mainly that the power is more immediate, or with less "lag time", and they are easier to install. In a mustang however, the motor is large enough to spool turbo's rather quickly and a twin turbo system is not only possible, but, very successful. Learn how to drive properly and you'll be able to keep the turbo in it's spooling band and respectively the motor in it's power band.

In one simple phrase, I like turbochargers over superchargers because they are more efficient.

Thank you for bringing me back to kindergatden, Douche.


As for turbo's bieng more efficient, that is true. They will make more power at an equal amount of boost.
With that bieng said, races are not one on a dyno, period. More than 75% of races that I have witnessed between turbo Cobras and KB cobras have had the KB car YANK the turbo car form a dig or a roll, the turbo car has to play catch up, and the race is over with the twin screw car ahead.

Price is another HUGE factor. I did A LOT of research before I made my descicion. For the single 88mm kit that I was looking for to get my full weight car into the nines, it would have cost around 10K. With the newer large disolacement twin screws, I knew that I could get the same or better performance for less than half the price.

^ and this two guys just made up my mind on the build : )) appreciate it fellas

[03scgt]

^ and this two guys just made up my mind on the build : )) appreciate it fellas


a twinscrew car is alot of fun on the street as that torque comes on instantly.a turbo car is gonna be a monster at the track with a auto tranny and a proper stall.me i would love to have a turbo car but between the price and my car mainly being fun on the street i would take the kennebell or whipple all day.i myself and using a vortech and its alot of fun for the street it pulls like a freight train and with my 4.10's i always have power there.just make sure what you want out of the car and do it right the first time.it gets alot more expensive if you have to do it twice.

[BlackMagicGTO]

just the original muscle car guy in me or somethin..

: ))

you kill me man "original muscle car guy" :rofl1:

[RoadRunner]

Thank you for bringing me back to kindergatden, Douche.


As for turbo's bieng more efficient, that is true. They will make more power at an equal amount of boost.
With that bieng said, races are not one on a dyno, period. More than 75% of races that I have witnessed between turbo Cobras and KB cobras have had the KB car YANK the turbo car form a dig or a roll, the turbo car has to play catch up, and the race is over with the twin screw car ahead.

Price is another HUGE factor. I did A LOT of research before I made my descicion. For the single 88mm kit that I was looking for to get my full weight car into the nines, it would have cost around 10K. With the newer large disolacement twin screws, I knew that I could get the same or better performance for less than half the price.

Kindergarten, being, decision, and did you mean displacement screws?

Also I'd appreciate you stating your opinions without trying to insult me. Turbocharged vehicles are far from dynamometer queens. If you're watching racing between equal cars with the only difference being superchargers and turbochargers, and the turbocharger is playing catchup, then the driver is the problem.

Your main problem is that more than %75 of your races are just witnessing the race. Get in the seat and learn the pro and con of the two yourself before you start insulting other people and their opinions. You'll feel the supercharger effects and the turbocharger effects a lot more first hand.

What I am stating is my opinion on why I would choose a turbocharged, or twin turbocharged Mustang over a supercharged Mustang.

Your pricing must be based off of parts plus install. I find turbochargers themselves to be much less expensive, while the superchargers are much easier to install and therefore less expensive to have installed by somebody else. Clearly this is the case since $10,000 is way more than I've ever seen on a price tag for a turbocharger or supercharger. I have bought and installed entire kits. The most any one pre-made kit has ever cost me was $4,500 and it included a lot more than just the supercharger/turbocharger.

My first time running down a drag strip I was hitting trap times over 14 seconds that were inconsistent on a car that was 14.0 stock. After I played around with launching differently, trying different ways to make my shifts faster and keep my engine speed from dipping during those shifts, and learning to keep my car from bogging, I found myself hitting more consistent and shaving my time down to 13.2 and a 1.87 60'. This was all with the same modifications changing nothing except at one point I bought new tires.

[02vortec]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8n0fPg-A7c

78mphgpr is running a 3.4L whipple + spray on this i believe

[mpe331lx]

Kindergarten, being, decision, and did you mean displacement screws?




There you go BEING a fucking douche again. I am SOOOOOOO sorry that I am not a damn secratary and can not type 100 words a minut without a mistake. :ugh2:


Also I'd appreciate you stating your opinions without trying to insult me.

I'd also appriciate it if you did not insult me by pointing out mistakes in my grammer, big F'n deal.



Turbocharged vehicles are far from dynamometer queens. If you're watching racing between equal cars with the only difference being superchargers and turbochargers, and the turbocharger is playing catchup, then the driver is the problem.

Your main problem is that more than %75 of your races are just witnessing the race. Get in the seat and learn the pro and con of the two yourself before you start insulting other people and their opinions. You'll feel the supercharger effects and the turbocharger effects a lot more first hand.
What I am stating is my opinion on why I would choose a turbocharged, or twin turbocharged Mustang over a supercharged Mustang.


How did I insult your oppinion? I called you a douceh when you had to correct me on the "proper" use of cause and because in a sentance.

I stated my experience with both set ups. Some of MY experiences are beating these high HP turbo cars MYSELF.
Of coarse the driver comes into play, as it does with ANY combonation.
I have not seen many impressive ET's out of manual turbo mustangs at all. Most quick (9.99 or better) turbo Cobras are swapped to a C4 or a 4r70W (both automatics). I am not going to make a 10K mistake to learn the pro's and cons of both. I am and did A LOT of research, talking to people that have had both, and made my DECISION (are you happy) based opon what I want out of MY car.

I did not state that one is better than the other, you seem to have taken it that way. I am posting about what I know about both the supercharger and turbocharger.





Your pricing must be based off of parts plus install. I find turbochargers themselves to be much less expensive, while the superchargers are much easier to install and therefore less expensive to have installed by somebody else. Clearly this is the case since $10,000 is way more than I've ever seen on a price tag for a turbocharger or supercharger. I have bought and installed entire kits. The most any one pre-made kit has ever cost me was $4,500 and it included a lot more than just the supercharger/turbocharger.




I do not factor in the cost of install for anything (which I should when giving advice to other people). I do all of my own work. The only thing that I dont do is tune my own car. And that is just because I do not have the software to do it yet.
Sorry we're not talking about an import here.
her are some examples of COMPLETE kits for a modular mustang (my car).
HP twin turbo:http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm

My set up would consist of this:
$6395 for the base kit (twin 50mm)
$2000 to upgrade to 67mm ball bearing turbos
$380 elctronic boost controller
$150 dual billet BOV upgrade
-------
$8925
I dont need everything that comes with the kkit, so my deletes would take off roughly $500

Thats an $8500 price tag compared to the right around $4000 for a KB2.8H (I paid significantly less with many extras, but thats besides the point)

Hellion single: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/data.03cobra.html

Hellion twin: http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/data.twinturbo.html

These are two of the more popular manufacturers for mustang turbo kits, THP is another one, but for some reason I could not find thier site.

The HP kit (turbochargedpower) makes great power, but there have been many complaints that they have poor customer service and take a VERY long time to complete the kit. I myself would never buy anything from them. There is also a valid gripe with the turbos mounted low and having to add an auxilery pump (that is prone to failure) to aid in oil drainback.

The hellion kits have top notch quality and the owner of the Company, John Urist knows his shit. He has been running a 7 second Turbo Mustang in NMRA Super Street Outlaw since around 01. (I think he has switched to a prochrger due to some rules changes over the last year or two)

The install is going to be much more complicated, and there are also more parts that can fail in the turbo kit than with a PD blower. Another issue is weight. Where is all of the added weight of the turbo kit going? For the HP kit, all the way to the front of the car:ugh2:
To the average enthusiast, that does not really matter. To the die hard drag racer that wants to get the best 60 ft possible, that is somthing to consider. This is where some of the turbo cars do not perform as well as they should at the track.
Take an already VERY nose heavy car that has an iron blocked 4.6, take a little weight off of the top of the engine (stock blower swapped to a standard intake) and put a considerable amout right at the nose.
In most cases the added HP will offset the added weight, bit it can and does make a difference at the 60ft mark.

The ONLY weight that my twin screw added was the difference between the larger blower and the stock eaton.


I will also list some for the 5.0l (the O.P's car) that are a bit cheaper:
http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/data.fox.html Base is $5K, add for upgrades

http://www.turbochargedpower.com/79-93%20Mustang%20Twin%20Turbo%20Kit.htm
Base is $6400-$8100 depending on turbo size, ubgrades add more.


With the prices of doung a QUALITY turbo kit on a mustang, it is not to suprising why most choose superchrging over a turbo.

The ones that do go turbo usually run into major set backs. The ones that finally get the combo ironed out and running "the way it should", usually have a shitload more time and money invested in it than the initial cost of the kit and other items needed to finish off the combo.

Factor in the abundance of used blower kits at a fraction of the cost of when they are new, it is almost like ricer math.... Why pay 5 times the amount it would take to PROPERLY turbocharge the car and only get 5-10% (give or take a little) performance increase over the blower?


My first time running down a drag strip I was hitting trap times over 14 seconds that were inconsistent on a car that was 14.0 stock. After I played around with launching differently, trying different ways to make my shifts faster and keep my engine speed from dipping during those shifts, and learning to keep my car from bogging, I found myself hitting more consistent and shaving my time down to 13.2 and a 1.87 60'. This was all with the same modifications changing nothing except at one point I bought new tires.

Good for you, you learned how to drive.:SolidStraight:
I did not have to RE-LEARN how to drive mine. I want from running a 10.89 @ 129.9 with the eaton, to a 9.93 @ 142 with the KB. I ran the 9 the first time out on the race tune. I did make one pass prior to that on my steet tune. I got to the track late made the staging lanes right before thay closed and ripped off a 10.59 @ 134 hitting the rev limiter a little before the traps (dropped back to 3.55s from 3.73s for the next time).

Here is a vid of my car with the stock eaton and the KB2.8H:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ViPCQnSAShI

It is by no means the fastest Mustang out there, BUT there are not many that run that quick on a completely stock longblock. I knew the perfomance that "I" wanted could be had without spending over 5K to run the time.

Now that I've said and posted all of this, I respect your oppinion of which you think is better. You just have to take into perspective, all out perfrmance and efficiency is not the only reasons making the decision between turbo or supercharger. There are many other factors involved.

Now that the decision has been made to go with a supercharger, the new dilemma is : Should I go with a Centrifigal or a positive displacement blower?:rofl1:

There have been threads the went on 20+ pages of people arguing until thier faces turned blue about it.

[mpe331lx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8n0fPg-A7c

78mphgpr is running a 3.4L whipple + spray on this i believe

That vid is well before the whipple 3.4 was even thought of:rofl1:

He was running an old Gen1 whipple 2.3 and spray. When it was set up like that, Terrys car was a monster. He had ran 10 teens at 140+ on 18" drag radials.

Wolverines car is also one of the baddest street mustangs, period.
That is also one of his old combos'. He has upgreded since then.

I am glad that you brought terrys car into this.
He went from the whipple and spay to a custom twin kit from Coastal dyno (similar to a THP kit). It supposedly maxed out coastals dyno at 1200hp.

His car is a prime example of what i'm talking about:
With the turbo kit, he never made a no excuses pass at the track.
He had a goal to run 9s on the 18"s and never did. He finally put some slicks on it and still never made a clean run. He was getting beat on the street by cars that only had 500-600rwhp.

I will do a little digging and post up some vids.

As for wher his car stands right now. The last I knew is that he was selling the turbo kit and going back to a PB blower and spray (this time a 3.4 whipple)


78mphgpr vs CBRTRX (h/c/spray c5 frc):http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ7-y_rDFfg

\Here is one of Terrys that is VERY impressive, he runs against Steve's 8 second formula:http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eyg1CYnG-do&feature=related


Here is one that started my doubts about going turbo: (old ass vid)http://www.fquick.com/videos/ddurnan..._vs__Havoc/633

[RoadRunner]

blah blah blah

:thumbup:

[mpe331lx]

:thumbup:

:seriously:
Whats wrong, you dont like the fact that I back up my oppinion with valid facts?

I made a one line post asking a simple question, and you had to get your panties in a bunch about the supiriority of a turbo. You voiced your oppinion, and it seems like you dont want to hear mine.:thumbdown:

I wish to someday be as quick as your superior turbo car:SolidStraight:

[03scgt]

lol i think you two should race. turbo vs supercharger it would end this battle of which one is better.

[trans99am]

Wow I hate people that correct your spelling and abbreviations on a forum. If you understand what is being said then don't correct him. We all don't care how it is spelled or typed as long as we can read it. I'm sure we all could type correctly if we wanted to.

[02vortec]

I think chevy's with turbo's tend to put the power down much more effectivly. Just seems the pushrod motors do much better under boost. thats what i have noticed. Not saying anythign bad about the mod motors just saying they need a blower and spray ;)

[03scgt]

I think chevy's with turbo's tend to put the power down much more effectivly. Just seems the pushrod motors do much better under boost. thats what i have noticed. Not saying anythign bad about the mod motors just saying they need a blower and spray ;)


its true.the bigger cubes on the lsx motors really helps spool the turbo's better.ford fucked up with the modular motor design.it would have been great if we atleast got a few more cubes out of it.the motor flows great but has shitty rods and pistons,with the exception of the 03-04 which is a hand built motor.ill post a perfect video for this discussion.



little t-70 mach against f1-r c5z06
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pio1MdloYM

[02vortec]

little T-70 mach? lol that car is making 700whp. I dont even know if its that. The DOHC and OHC designs just dont have the low end grunt of a regular pushrod motor. They need to rev to make the power. And with the new valvetrain and rotating assemblies out for the pushrod motors they can rev like the OHC motors now.

[03scgt]

little T-70 mach? lol that car is making 700whp. I dont even know if its that. The DOHC and OHC designs just dont have the low end grunt of a regular pushrod motor. They need to rev to make the power. And with the new valvetrain and rotating assemblies out for the pushrod motors they can rev like the OHC motors now.


true it is makeing 714 wheel with a race tune and gas.the car he raced is a normal every day around town tune on a blower car.that z was fucking bad.the mach has a mp t70 which is small for a single turbo car.its makeing great power but nothing like a 3200lb z with 900 wheel lol.

[mpe331lx]

little T-70 mach? lol that car is making 700whp. I dont even know if its that. The DOHC and OHC designs just dont have the low end grunt of a regular pushrod motor. They need to rev to make the power. And with the new valvetrain and rotating assemblies out for the pushrod motors they can rev like the OHC motors now.

It really has nothing to do with having pushrods or OHC. It is displacement. I just happens to be that the pushrod lsx displaces form 5.7-6.2l (7.0 in the c6 zo6), and the mod motor is 4.6 (5.4 in a couple cars now).

Drop the displacement of an ls1 to 281 and it would have no low end torque and you would have to rev it to 7000+ to perform the same as it does at 5.7l.

Do the same with a 96-98 Cobra 4.6, that has a redline of 6800 (fuel cut off at 7200). Bring the displacement up to 5.7l and that engine with the same heads and cams will now redline a few hundred rpm lower and have quite a bit more low end torque.

The biggest factor in the ls1 pushrod motors reving like an OHC motor is the 18 degree heads (15 degerr in the l92 and ls3, not too sure about the others), compared to 23 degree heads for a standard small block chevy.
The camshaft profiles and valvtrain are then matche to the head flow to make an enging with a decent amount of dicplacement and low end torque that revs very well.

Comparing a 4.6 mod motor to a 5.7-6.2 lsx is definately an apples to oranges comparison. Of coarse a mild cammed 281 is going to need SOMETHING (boost), to keep up with or beat the lsx. Do the same to the lsx (drop the compression, forged internals, proper cam, and valvetrain, add boost), it should out perform and equally set up 4.6.


The best way to make an equal comparison would be to take a 5.4 (333ci)
vs a 5.3 (327ci) Set them up with redilay availabel heads ) like the ls3s and the GT500s (not ls7, not ford GT. maybe do them in addition to the other heads), equal compression ratios, camshaft profiles that would have them make peak power close to the same rpm.

Run them N/A on an engine dyno, then boost them.

That would be one way to make a FAIR comparison and stop the argument af which set up is better. The 6ci is not going to make any difference at all. Who would win? Its hard to say.

[02vortec]

i have seen plenty of 5.3L trucks ride the fuck out with a 88mm turbo strapped to them. John Parish made his 5.3L with an 88mm with a small cam and valvetrain go 11.2's in a 5000lbs truck.


There a couple 4.8L gm trucks out there running low low 11's with lots of boost on stock bottom end.... something is up.....


There is not one magnacharged (mp122 eaton) riding out like the turbo trucks. There is like one whipple truck thats in mid 11's on stock bottom end and thats it.

[mpe331lx]

i have seen plenty of 5.3L trucks ride the fuck out with a 88mm turbo strapped to them. John Parish made his 5.3L with an 88mm with a small cam and valvetrain go 11.2's in a 5000lbs truck.


There a couple 4.8L gm trucks out there running low low 11's with lots of boost on stock bottom end.... something is up.....


There is not one magnacharged (mp122 eaton) riding out like the turbo trucks. There is like one whipple truck thats in mid 11's on stock bottom end and thats it.

A magnacharger is pretty much an entry level blower. It is essentially the same blower as a stock 03 cobra m112. It shouldn't even be in the same ballpark of an 88mm turbo.

A 88mm turbo can more a lot more air than most blowers. It would take a whipple 3.4, or a Pro charger F1 to equal the power potential of an 88mm. A whipple 2.3 is probaby comparable to a 67-70mm, and an eaton a 60 (if that)

['86foxnprogress]

now heres the question.. is there a whipple or a KB that will fit on a 331, 347, 383?? cause that would really make my day.. being those stroker set ups probably should need to fit a 302 base or 351w base

[mpe331lx]

now heres the question.. is there a whipple or a KB that will fit on a 331, 347, 383?? cause that would really make my day.. being those stroker set ups probably should need to fit a 302 base or 351w base

Not a good one. KB has an un intercooled kit that is not efficient at all. It wasn't until the 03-04 Cobras came out that the KB's and whipples started getting very popular. most of the older roots style or twin screw kits were un intercooled.

You would be better off sticking with a big Centrifigal blower or a Turbo.
You can make the same amout of power with either choice. It all boils down to how much money do you want to spend and how you want to set your car up.
You can make some serious power with a D1sc or an F1R, as you can with a t70-t76. You can go with an 88-91mm if you are looking to run low 8s to high sevens, but the rest of the car has to support it (It has and can be done but its NOT TOO streetable in a mustang)

[02vortec]

A magnacharger is pretty much an entry level blower. It is essentially the same blower as a stock 03 cobra m112. It shouldn't even be in the same ballpark of an 88mm turbo.

A 88mm turbo can more a lot more air than most blowers. It would take a whipple 3.4, or a Pro charger F1 to equal the power potential of an 88mm. A whipple 2.3 is probaby comparable to a 67-70mm, and an eaton a 60 (if that)


My point is that i dont see many blown GM's running near the numbers of turbo GM's. I posted up a full weight T/A 6-speed ls1 car a while back with an OFI GT76 kit on 8.5psi. Car went 10.80's @ low 13Xmph trap speed. All it had was a 12-bolt rearend 4.00 gears, clutch and the turbo kit @ 8.5psi. I have seen a couple F1-R stock motor F-bodies go 10.7's with a Turbo 400 on a T-brake and more boost but they still arent traping in the 130's, granted its a centrifugal blower its still a big one.

Im not trying to argue, i know that termi's and fords do better on the blower / spray, but then there is the 5.0L... Those cars (5.0L LX fox)absolutley book it on a turbo system with stock bottom end and stock everything compared to a blower car. Its not a big motor either.

[mpe331lx]

Im not trying to argue, i know that termi's and fords do better on the blower / spray,

Now that the big twin screws are out. they dont NEED the spray.

Big twinscrew and spray should be in the 8s...............HMMMMMMMMM:D

BTW, the car with the F1 had something wrong or a missmatched combo. An F1 can move enough air to get into the 8s at 150. He should be trapping atleast 138-140

[02vortec]

it was on a stock ls1 so i dont think he wanted to see if his stock bottom end could make enough power to hit 150 traps lol!

[BlackMagicGTO]

amazing.......this all started with a brake question

['86foxnprogress]

love it!

['86foxnprogress]

Now for some breaking news!

So once again i haven't heard from the guy working on my car for whats about 3 weeks now. He said the car was suppose to be done 2 weeks ago. So since i acutally had nothing else to do i went by the shop to try and see whats up.. or if my car still exsists. I rolled up to the garage and there was a different lock on the door. Immediately O SHIT came out of my mouth. The guy next door said he didnt pay his rent so he made him pack up and leave. I asked, "With my car? He took my car with him? WTF??" "WTF am i going to do!?" He asked if he had my number and i said yes but i dont think he knows how to use the phone cause hes only called me a few times.. usually asks me to just stop by the shop. He reacted with wow thats pretty dick and said something about his wife working for the police department so i looked at that as what could give me a starting point. So i started to drive away feeling jello for legs and the urge to hunt whoever has my car down. Surprisingly enough i wasnt blind enough with rage to forget that i had this guy's number who had a sick rx-7 that gordo (my mechanic) worked on also. So i press send, he answered and i reminded him who i am and he said o yes heyy whats up mawn? I was like yo what happened to gordo hes got my car and hes gone from his shop? hes like yes mon he broke hes haunds so he hasnt been able to do much work, your car is over on the side of his brothers house. I was like really!! Is it finished?? he was like i dun think so mon hes haunds still hurtin him. So i got the location and went and saw the car. (actually there--important) It wasnt painted and it looked like it had been there for a good week. I've called gordo for the past 4 straight days and have got nothing but voicemail, however it was completely full and now its accepting voicemails. So i left 4 of them. If ne one has a tow truck i might need one tomorrow, and if ne one wants to pick up a job doing some paint work and changing locks and an ignition please PM me ASAP!!

[02vortec]

lol.... i told you that guy was fucking shady from the get go man. I dont know why the fuck you would go 3 weeks without hearing from your mechanic who was supposed to have the fucking car down months ago. You get what you pay for in this town.

Good luck with it.

['86foxnprogress]

It's straight man.. at least i know where it is so i can get it back. shit.. for a lil bit i didnt even know if i had a car... and it goes back to.. take it to him and hell acutally fix it and not run it right back to shit after doing the work and cost a whole ton. so again at least i still have a car and the work that was done will still show when i get it back. Soo now its time to find another mechanic that does good work and doesnt have that childish urge to run off with or run the piss out of the customers car when hes done.. is there one out there?

[Fo's 5.0]

If you don't pick your car up tomorrow you will be sorry, mark my words.. The car will never get done there and even if he pleaded with me to let him finish the car I would tell him to hit the road....

Keep up on your shit better then that man:thumbup:

['86foxnprogress]

If you don't pick your car up tomorrow you will be sorry, mark my words.. The car will never get done there and even if he pleaded with me to let him finish the car I would tell him to hit the road....

Keep up on your shit better then that man:thumbup:

just sucks. i gotta find a legit mechanic, that i can trust, thats not gunna empty my wallet to finish work that was already half paid for.. If ne one wants a side project that wont deff wont leave you empty pocketed PM me. Phat Tony's Customs you should probably PM seems like you do the things i need done.. and with the money you can for sure get that rear mount on there and tuned.

['86foxnprogress]

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I went over to see my car again and i saw some of Gordo's friends, one who he worked on my car with. I asked where he was and they said the house with his hand both still in casts. I said he hasnt answered or called me back at all! So they took my number and i told them i was having the car picked up in a couple of hours since its not done and i wanted it done! They said ok we'll let him know. I left. Well i just got home and i was straighting up and i here my phone ringing and i had this weird feeling.. IT WAS HIM! His hands are getting taken out of casts in a week. The reason he didnt have his friend paint the car is because he wanted to charge more than what gordo told me initially and he wasnt havin that so he said nevermind i'll get better and do it myself. He apologized a thousand times sayin i would never fuck you over like that.. just shit happens and i couldnt do it and i didnt have your number and i dont ever answer numbers i dont know. so he is gunna re-start work at his dad's garage in a week, after the casts come off, and hes throwin me some metallic grey in the jet black to match my grey stripes that are also goin on the car. he also said he would love to do my new project-ordering of parts could start as early as a month. I should have my car lookin sick and in running order in just under 2 weeks!!!

I guess i assume the worste in everything, although it was a pretty sketchy situation. Thank god i dont have to get it towed, new locks, new ignition, and finish it getting painted, and i even get a little extra out of the deal!

[03scgt]

if he doesnt start in 2 weeks go get it..

['86foxnprogress]

if he doesnt start in 2 weeks go get it..

it'll be done in two weeks as long as he gets his casts off on schedule.. or else he wont see the car again.. which is a damn shame cause he does hella good work:SolidStraight:

[03scgt]

it'll be done in two weeks as long as he gets his casts off on schedule.. or else he wont see the car again.. which is a damn shame cause he does hella good work:SolidStraight:


well thats good.dont let him give you the walk around if theres not paint on it.it doesnt take months at a time to paint a car.

['86foxnprogress]

well thats good.dont let him give you the walk around if theres not paint on it.it doesnt take months at a time to paint a car.

well i guess when both ur hands are in casts it doesnt make ne thing ne faster either.. i mean he even knew right where we left off on payments and everything soo i got faith, everyother time he's been a man of his word even if i took an extra week or two because it always came back with extras. ex- he rebuilt my engine, gave me a time window that was blown open by about a week and a half, well when i saw it the next time, the rear end had new bearing and seals and some other little minor, but in the long run major, things in the back end and around the rest of the car. O MAN and im already tryin to dial the number to D.S.S. : )) Gunna be such a sick build!!

[03scgt]

good luck man.should be a badass when it gets done