Maybe a good idea?

[h0mesk3wLLed]

So after going to the drag races, I've decided I want my car to be faster.

:ugh2:

$1,000


http://www.dnamotoring.com/dnamotoring/images/tbk/TBK-E36.jpg

Package includes: T04E Turbo Charger/Stainless Steel Turbo Manifold/19 Row Oil Cooler/Oil Cooler Relocation Kits/Oil Catch Tank/Drain Line/Feed Line/
10inch Radiator Fan/Universal Piping Kit/Intercooler/Boost Controller/Turbo Timer/Fuel Pressure Regulator/Type S Blow Off Valve/G Style Flange Pipe

Main Item Features:

T3/T4 Turbo Charger:

.50 A/R Compressor, .63A/R Turbine
450HP+ Capable
T3 Flange to Manifold
5 Bolt Downpipe Flange
Oil Lube/Cool
3" Inlet Diameter & 2" Outlet Diameter

Bar and Plate Bolt On Turbo Intercooler
Bolt On Design
Overall Size: 33.75"x10"x3.5"
Core Size: 27"x10"x3.5"
150 to 130 Degree Temperature Drop

Stainless Steel Turbo Manifold
Made of High Grade Stainless Steel!
All nuts and bolts included
Direct Bolt on

Universal Bolt On Intercooler Piping Kit
Direct bolt on
Stainless Steel T Bolt Clamps
silicone Hoses

Oil Drain Line
High quality fitting!
Durable last a lifetime
Turbo Oil Drain
Straight high strength oil drain line!

Oil Feed Line
High quality fitting!
Durable last a lifetime
Turbo Oil Feed
Straight high strength oil feed line!

Oil Cooler Line Relocation Kit
High quality fitting!
Durable last a lifetime
Turbo Oil Cool!
Straight high strength oil cool line!

Fuel Pressure regulator
High quality fitting!
Durable, Fully adjustable
Set fuel pressure for boosted engines!

Radiator Fan
High quality fitting!
Cools the radiator down!
Slim design, easy to install!

Oil Cooler
High quality fitting!
Durable Cools the oil down!
Slim design, easy to install!

Boost Controller
High quality fitting!
Adjust PSI to control your desire boost!
CNC anodized aluminum finish

Blow off Valve
High quality fitting!
Add-on dress up. Provide aggressive sound!
CNC anodized!

Flange Pipe
High quality fitting!
Perfect for the BOV!
Durable, made of high quality material!

Mini Turbo Timer
High quality, ensure proper time to cool down the turbo charged cars!
Slim Pen Design!


Additional piping might be required and/or modification might be needed

Comes w/ Extra Parts! Professional Installation is Highly Recommended (No Instruction Included)!!

:confused:

Any thoughts?

[pdexta]

Every car specific site I've been on has threads just absolutely ragging on these cheap ebay kits. It might be a good idea to check out bimmer forums, search "ebay kit" and see what kind of results you get. This one actually looks relatively complete, assuming you're going to take care of the engine management yourself.

The fact that my tiny little turbo by itself costs more than this entire kit doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Personally, I'm too scared to put an ebay intake on my car, I can't imagine trusting a turbo kit. <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">

[Honda FTW]

dont do ebay turbos unless you know and trust the company

turbos are not something to go cheap on so take your time and spend the money wisely

just make sure is done right

[slow2v]

dont do ebay turbos unless you know and trust the company

turbos are not something to go cheap on so take your time and spend the money wisely

just make sure is done right

+1

cheap, fast, realiable........pick 2 :thumbup:

[amanda]

silly home schooled kids. seriously don't do it lol or at least get on bimmer forums and see just how bad it is first. we help joo

[Anthony]

lol everyone ragging on ebay shit again,half the ebay shit last longer than the highdollar stuff.most ebay turbos work like a champ under 20lbs,over and not so much.the only things ebay I would'nt put on my car is a wastegate,boostcontroller,or blowoff valve.thats pretty much asking to buy a new motor.

[amanda]

just sayin, i don't know how they work on his car, he needs to look at that before he does anything. maybe they turn gas and fumes into chocolate cold coins and he needs to invest ASAP who knows

[Anthony]

dont get me wrong im not saying a 1k ebay turbo kit is a good idea lol.the turbo should atleast be 500$ or it wont last,if its not even a master power its a bad idea

[Honda FTW]

all am saying is unless you know the company dont get it because you just might get burned and yes totally agree with your comment bout wastegate boostcontroller and blowoff valve

also is not about how much the turbo cost but how well is the work that goes into setting it up and tunning your car is you could have a badass turbo but if you do a shitty job its gonna be worthless not ranking on Ebay just suggesting not to go cheap and to do further research

[Hazzvd?b]

+1


Do your research homeschool. Ebay is great for some parts but its really up to the parts your looking at.. Bimmerforums. go now grasshopper.

[Honda FTW]

+1


Do your research homeschool. Ebay is great for some parts but its really up to the parts your looking at.. Bimmerforums. go now grasshopper.


thank you

bottom line when it comes to major upgrades if you choose to buy Ebay do tons of research or know people that you trust and will get you something good please dont buy anything out of haste i know everyone wants to go fast but its worthless to have a fast car you can only use once before it goes BOOM!!!

[frank]

I would piece it together instead of the kit. Things like the manifolds and inter cooler kits on ebay are good, but like ant said you want a waste gate and b.o.v. you know is going to work and be accurate.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

lol everyone ragging on ebay shit again,half the ebay shit last longer than the highdollar stuff.most ebay turbos work like a champ under 20lbs,over and not so much.the only things ebay I would'nt put on my car is a wastegate,boostcontroller,or blowoff valve.thats pretty much asking to buy a new motor.

This is what I wanted to hear. My m50 can handle a lot of forced induction. I would only want to run it at like 10psi max. You think this ebay kit would be ok just for that? I only want like 250-300 to the wheels.

This guy made 508whp @ 25psi with my engine, stock bottom end. There very strong little engines.

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1234243&highlight=m50+turbo

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Any thoughts?

[h0mesk3wLLed]

+1


Do your research homeschool. Ebay is great for some parts but its really up to the parts your looking at.. Bimmerforums. go now grasshopper.


I don't has money for $3000 turbos :(

And I don't want to wait that long for a fast car. I WANT NOW!!!! lol

[Honda FTW]

my thought are power corrupts good intentions you say now that you only wanna run 10PSI til you have it on get comfy with its new speed and wanna run higher PSIs it will happen it always does never fails so you need make sure its gonna be strong enough to take more pressure

[Anthony]

if you dont have the money for the turbo you dont have money to fix the blown engine.fuck what the motor can take,it can only take one time of a vaccum line popping off the wastegate or boostcontroller or something going wrong.save your money and piece together a kit and ask around on bimmer forums.you car is a ton cheaper the the e46 kits so take your time and do it right.yes the ebay kit is complete but by the time your done fixing the little shit on it the cost will be way over what the original price is

[frank]

Buy the kit, for the parts its a good deal even if you don't use all of them. Get a real B.o.v and waste gate. If you get everything and bring me the manifold, turbo, down pipe and an external waste gate, I still have some 304 stainless bends so I could set you up with an external waste gate you could trust.

[Honda FTW]

if you dont have the money for the turbo you dont have money to fix the blown engine.fuck what the motor can take,it can only take one time of a vaccum line popping off the wastegate or boostcontroller or something going wrong.save your money and piece together a kit and ask around on bimmer forums.you car is a ton cheaper the the e46 kits so take your time and do it right.yes the ebay kit is complete but by the time your done fixing the little shit on it the cost will be way over what the original price is

couldnt have said it better myself

turbos is not something to rush at all if you dont have the money for a decent turbo then you dont have the money for anyturbo save your money dude and if you wanna go fast MEOW i suggest you trade your car for a bike

[rotodouche]

you were saying like a week ago you wanted to do hpdes and skip barber and whatnot. my recomendation (as always) is do your 5 speed swap and put in your diff, get an intake/exhaust/tune on it and some nice suspension and brakes and have fun with your car for more than 12 seconds at a time.

BUT if youre dead set on this, then its a better bet to peice together a kit i would think too. buy good peices where you need then and inexpensive peices where you can get away with them.

[amanda]

gwashoppah

[Honda FTW]

idk whats in your ride so far but seems to me you are just looking for someone that will tell you getting this turbo is a good idea so that you can justify getting it but honestly you should really reconsider

[h0mesk3wLLed]

idk whats in your ride so far but seems to me you are just looking for someone that will tell you getting this turbo is a good idea so that you can justify getting it but honestly you should really reconsider

Haha ok fine. Your right. I guess I will just wait until I have money to buy a good turbo setup, and do it right, just like everyone else :(

[Honda FTW]

yes bro seriously do it right or you will spend way to much time and money trying to fix a bad job

[frank]

Get turbo, turbos are awesome, everyone has turbo. Peer pressure from the guy with only N/A vehicles.

Even if you buy the kit how it is, after tune, and all the little things you'll find you need that no one tells you about its gonna be 2-3 times as much as you think it'll cost. But if you want to go turbo, buy one of the ebay kits, because for $1000 you can use the manifold, inter-cooler and piping, the oil/coolant lines, oil cooler, turbo timer, and fpr. You might get away the turbo if you only run low boost. The kit doesn't seem to come with a down pipe either. Also you'll want a wide band and a bunch of other gauges to monitor things, boost, water temp, oil pressure/temp.

[Honda FTW]

i like to think NA is where is at but hey if you want dont even listen to any of us its your decition that really matter just be smart about it

[frank]

N/A is where its at. All my cars are. I've only ever driven one boosted vehicle. But in terms of performance turbos are basically free horse power, you are using your waste to increase you compression with little input from the motor.

[04.350z]

My word of advice on the is "Never get boost happy" Thats how you end up with a money pit / hell hole.
Buy a legit kit.
enough said

[h0mesk3wLLed]

I changed my mind about the 250-300 hp. I want this :yumyum:

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[h0mesk3wLLed]

My word of advice on the is "Never get boost happy" Thats how you end up with a money pit / hell hole.
Buy a legit kit.
enough said

The way I look at it. I don't have a girlfriend, I don't have to pay rent, I don't have to pay for food, I don't have to pay for gas, I don't have to pay for insurance, and my dad is a BMW tech. With a decent paying job, I could make this happen :ugh2:

[04.350z]

But if your life is basically paid for buy something people will respect.
Ebay < Legit

[DSM JOEY]

ls1 ftw

[pdexta]

If you've got $1000 to spend, and you want to go fast, I would think you'd be better off getting a good nitrous setup rather than trying to turbo the car. If you do buy that kit and run 10psi, you have to get some kind of ECU to control fuel and spark, as well as bigger injectors, then you have to get it tuned. You're probably looking at another $1500 or more on top of the kit before you can ever drive the car.
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[04.350z]

If you've got $1000 to spend, and you want to go fast, I would think you'd be better off getting a good nitrous setup rather than trying to turbo the car. If you do buy that kit and run 10psi, you have to get some kind of ECU to control fuel and spark, as well as bigger injectors, then you have to get it tuned. You're probably looking at another $1500 or more on top of the kit before you can ever drive the car.
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+ juan

[bimmershark]

your car is auto right? dont know if ppl will agree but id swap the tranny out first . i dont personally know what that autos handle but if ya boost or nitrous , i would think the trannys life will be shortended . just . 02 cents

[02vortec]

you will never run just 10 psi. Some of the ebay stuff is okay. You will eventaully be upgrading that turbo. $1000 for all of that... The only things that will really last in that kit are the intercooler, piping, oil cooler, manifold and oil lines. Regardless of what anyone says I have seen ebay turbo last 3 years being molested and I have seen them last 2 days being treated nicely. I do recommend you spend good money on the Wastegate, blow off valve, turbo, fuel system & tune as they are the most vital to your engine's performance and safety.

Even if you buy that kit you still have to deal with
-Fuel Injectors
-Good safe tune
-Fuel pump most likely
-Spark plugs
-Gauges
-Exhaust after the down pipe unless you want to run stock exhaust which is fine then but power will suffer.
-Air filter or intake system; not sure if you guys run a blow through or draw through set-up.

This is @ least. If you want to trust that POS wastgate in that kit. go ahead just don't expect it to stay at the desired boost level you where wanting at all times. And in the end no matter what any one says a quality turbo will make more power per pound of boost than a china turbo any day. You can port the housings on the china turbo but get the walls to thin and you will have a compressor bomb under the hood.

I would say get a Holset HC-1 or HX35 to replace that turbo. But for $1000 that is a really good set-up even if you just get the manifold, intercooler, boost pipes, oil lines, oil relocation kit, E-fan, and oil cooler to be reliable out of it.

[blackjti]

if you dont have enough money to buy a legit turbo setup .. then .. you dont have enough money to go turbo

A .. your car will be 100x more fun if it was manual
B .. theres seriously something wack about that turbo kit if you can get a turbo and a front mount AND all that other shit for 1,000 bucks
C .. find a used reliable kit on bimmerforums
D .. say no to ebay turbo kits

you are better off selling your car and buying someones already turbo'd car off bimmerforums or at least picking up a modified e36 M .. by the time you put all the money into your car making it fast the CORRECT way, you would of spent way more then just straight up buying a fast car in the first place

[STiDriven]

Fuckin r00ks.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

you will never run just 10 psi. Some of the ebay stuff is okay. You will eventaully be upgrading that turbo. $1000 for all of that... The only things that will really last in that kit are the intercooler, piping, oil cooler, manifold and oil lines. Regardless of what anyone says I have seen ebay turbo last 3 years being molested and I have seen them last 2 days being treated nicely. I do recommend you spend good money on the Wastegate, blow off valve, turbo, fuel system & tune as they are the most vital to your engine's performance and safety.

Even if you buy that kit you still have to deal with
-Fuel Injectors
-Good safe tune
-Fuel pump most likely
-Spark plugs
-Gauges
-Exhaust after the down pipe unless you want to run stock exhaust which is fine then but power will suffer.
-Air filter or intake system; not sure if you guys run a blow through or draw through set-up.

This is @ least. If you want to trust that POS wastgate in that kit. go ahead just don't expect it to stay at the desired boost level you where wanting at all times. And in the end no matter what any one says a quality turbo will make more power per pound of boost than a china turbo any day. You can port the housings on the china turbo but get the walls to thin and you will have a compressor bomb under the hood.

I would say get a Holset HC-1 or HX35 to replace that turbo. But for $1000 that is a really good set-up even if you just get the manifold, intercooler, boost pipes, oil lines, oil relocation kit, E-fan, and oil cooler to be reliable out of it.


So, buy the kit and try the turbo at like 8psi. Then, when I want more power, buy a better turbo and keep the ebay intercooler, piping, oil cooler, manifold and oil lines. correct?

[h0mesk3wLLed]

your car is auto right? dont know if ppl will agree but id swap the tranny out first . i dont personally know what that autos handle but if ya boost or nitrous , i would think the trannys life will be shortended . just . 02 cents

Manual swap will be done this summer hopefully. I want to run my auto to the ground first.

[frank]

You need to find a down pipe, which I cant seem to find any so its gonna have to be made.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

You need to find a down pipe, which I cant seem to find any so its gonna have to be made.

Thats what your for right? :D

[04.350z]

Basically from what I can tell and my posts as well is don't buy the ebay buy legit.
You will be much happier with it Frankenstein kits aren't always the best decision.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

ls1 ftw

Push rod motors are ghey. Overhead cam is the only way to go, we don't loose rpms :tongue: lol

[Anthony]

Push rod motors are ghey. Overhead cam is the only way to go, we don't loose rpms :tongue: lol

pushrods make power easier/cheaper and can be made to rev,your argument is mute

[h0mesk3wLLed]

pushrods make power easier/cheaper and can be made to rev,your argument is mute

Well your push rod engine weighs more and puts out less horsepower per litre. You can not increase the revolutions to overcome the piston engines inherited short coming of reciprocating mass. there for push rods suck. you could never push the envelope such as a 1.5 litre developing 1300+ hp done in the early 80s by BMW with stock engine blocks and crank shafts... do that with your push rod motor. :tongue:


Dad told me to type all that lol I'm sure you know it wasn't me hahahaa

[Anthony]

Well your push rod engine weighs more and puts out less horsepower per litre. You can not increase the revolutions to overcome the piston engines inherited short coming of reciprocating mass. there for push rods suck. you could never push the envelope such as a 1.5 litre developing 1300+ hp done in the early 80s by BMW with stock engine blocks and crank shafts... do that with your push rod motor. :tongue:


Dad told me to type all that lol I'm sure you know it wasn't me hahahaa

well tell your dad that he needs to learn a few things.
i dont have a pushrod motor i have a sohc motor.pushrod v8's can and do make over 400 hp per cylinder as a norm on more than a few race cars.there are plenty of cars making over 1k hp on a bone stock motor.how the fuck does reciprocating mass make a push rod motor suck? that would apply to all motors and would only leave a turbine engine and the "rotary".if your dads saying this logic only applys to push rod motors hes an idiot


i wont even get into the 1300 hp 1.5 liters or the fact that plenty of motors will make over that number on stock crank and block

[h0mesk3wLLed]

well tell your dad that he needs to learn a few things.
i dont have a pushrod motor i have a sohc motor.pushrod v8's can and do make over 400 hp per cylinder as a norm on more than a few race cars.there are plenty of cars making over 1k hp on a bone stock motor.how the fuck does reciprocating mass make a push rod motor suck? that would apply to all motors and would only leave a turbine engine and the "rotary".if your dads saying this logic only applys to push rod motors hes an idiot

Reciprocating mass is the number 1 enemy to a piston engine. and that's why all racing teams spend millions of dollars a year trying to limit the mass and increase rpms. we weren't talking about your mustang we were talking about the ls1 that puts out pathetic hp per litres. Yes it applies to all motors BUT by a push rod motor your increasing the mass further. what goes up must come down. The more valve train mass, the heaver valve spring is required, which sucks up horsepower and internal resistance of the motor. any serious motor head realizes the need to reduce internal resistance and that's how races are won.

Name one formula 1 team that utilized a push rod motor? NONE. This is the most expensive form of racing that teams spend up to 800 million a year to compete in. If the push rod is the better engine why don't any of them use it? bang for buck they make a good lawn mower engine

[h0mesk3wLLed]

i wont even get into the 1300 hp 1.5 liters or the fact that plenty of motors will make over that number on stock crank and block

1.5 letres? name a 1.5 letre push rod motor that makes over 1300 hp.

[Anthony]

1.5 letres? name a 1.5 letre push rod motor that makes over 1300 hp.

ill do this first since its quick.name me one 1.5liter push rod motor that someone modifies? if you can name it im sure i can find it

[h0mesk3wLLed]

ill do this first since its quick.name me one 1.5liter push rod motor that someone modifies? if you can name it im sure i can find it

How about a 1.2 litre Mark lll MGB


And this is a joke. BMW won the f1 championship with this motor. Not some nut case who can put up huge numbers for a few seconds on a dynometer. the point is no one builds a push rod motor anymore except for the federally owned corporation GM or also known as Obama motors, because they build outdated shit for 30 years and now they can't sell it. It's ridiculous your talking non sence

[Anthony]

Reciprocating mass is the number 1 enemy to a piston engine. and that's why all racing teams spend millions of dollars a year trying to limit the mass and increase rpms. we weren't talking about your mustang we were talking about the ls1 that puts out pathetic hp per litres. Yes it applies to all motors BUT by a push rod motor your increasing the mass further. what goes up must come down. The more valve train mass, the heaver valve spring is required, which sucks up horsepower and internal resistance of the motor. any serious motor head realizes the need to reduce internal resistance and that's how races are won.

Name one formula 1 team that utilized a push rod motor? NONE. This is the most expensive form of racing that teams spend up to 800 million a year to compete in. If the push rod is the better engine why don't any of them use it? bang for buck they make a good lawn mower engine

you do realize that just because a motor can rev to 11k rpms doesnt mean a motor that can only rev to 7 will make less power or be less reliable.

Limited engine speeds or RPM — Pushrod engines have more valvetrain moving parts thus more valvetrain inertia and mass, as a result they suffer more easily from valve "float" and may exhibit a tendency for the pushrods, if improperly designed, to flex or snap at high engine speeds. Therefore, pushrod engine designs cannot revolve ("rev") at engine speeds as high as OHC designs

that is the main reason that formula 1 cars do not use the pushrod design.they need to be sustained in high rpms(alot higher than designed) for a large amount of time.they obviously could re-gear the car to hit these speeds but it would make the car a dog down low which is another reason they dont.why spend money on something that isnt suited for what its being asked to do.thats like taking a school bus and drag racing it,theres better options out for the use.you can go back and forth all night with me on how you think the pushrod sucks but the fact is every motor has its downfall and they also have their good traits.

[Anthony]

How about a 1.2 litre Mark lll MGB


And this is a joke. BMW won the f1 championship with this motor. Not some nut case who can put up huge numbers for a few seconds on a dynometer. the point is no one builds a push rod motor anymore except for the federally owned corporation GM or also known as Obama motors, because they build outdated shit for 30 years and now they can't sell it. It's ridiculous your talking non sence

you sir are an idiot.the fastest motors out that powers drag cars seems to be pushrods even though its outdated "junk". show me a factory procuction BMW that can be a zr1 in a straight line or even on a track? oh thats right you cant,must suck to see that outdated shit that gm is selling beat your livelyhood into the dirt

fact is like i said every motor has its purpouse

[h0mesk3wLLed]

you do realize that just because a motor can rev to 11k rpms doesnt mean a motor that can only rev to 7 will make less power or be less reliable.




Wrong. Yes it does. The faster you can spin, all things being equivalent, more hp will be produced. and that's exactly why it's done.

F1 engines are not spinning at 20,000rpms for reduced reliability. there doing it to overcome, once again, the inherited flaw of the piston engine.

[bimmershark]

i like you dood but i guess nascar with their 800 horsepwer and 200 mile an hour speeds dont count for much huh?

[Anthony]

Wrong. Yes it does. The faster you can spin, all things being equivalent, more hp will be produced. and that's exactly why it's done.

F1 engines are not spinning at 20,000rpms for reduced reliability. there doing it to overcome, once again, the inherited flaw of the piston engine.



once again take a ohc motor and a pushrod motor same cubes and same rpms the pushrod will make more power.yeah ofcourse you can rev the ohc motor higher to make more power but it (once again) doesnt mean the pushrod motor sucks

dollar for dollar and rpm for rpm(as far as it can be taken safely) the pushrod motor will win.i use to be like yourself and not think very highly of the pushrod but its the better option when money or limiting factors are involved

[pdexta]

Wrong. Yes it does. The faster you can spin, all things being equivalent, more hp will be produced. and that's exactly why it's done.

F1 engines are not spinning at 20,000rpms for reduced reliability. there doing it to overcome, once again, the inherited flaw of the piston engine.

Peak HP is rarely made at redline, it's typically made before that. Revving the motor higher isn't going to produce any more power in most cases.
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[h0mesk3wLLed]

you sir are an idiot.the fastest motors out that powers drag cars seems to be pushrods even though its outdated "junk". show me a factory procuction BMW that can be a zr1 in a straight line or even on a track? oh thats right you cant,must suck to see that outdated shit that gm is selling beat your livelyhood into the dirt

fact is like i said every motor has its purpouse

I knew you would bring up the 4 second wonder motor. And if rules and regulations would allow it they would all be overhead cam. But that's just basic American racing, where they try in someway to tie the race car to production cars. So you ford owners can all be proud. If you aloud any NHR top fuel teams to run overhead cam motors there would be no push rods left. BMW is a sedan company they don't build performance sports cars and there numbers are in the black. Unlike Chevrolet who just filed bank bankruptcy. We did build a performance sports car that killed the zr1 called the m1. Dad was going to tell you good night but he said since you called him an idiot to fuck off. lol

Here is the m1

vrooooooooooom.

http://www.zcars.com.au/images/bmw-m1-hommage1.jpg


You know I don't have any problems with you Anthony and I wasn't trying to argue. It's the internet and I would never talk to you like this in real life. But fo realz man that's my Dad, and he is by no means an idiot.

[rotodouche]

Name one formula 1 team...

hows that goin for ya? seems to me like BMWs getting beat by a guy whos playing with a bunch of spare parts and two "washed up" drivers.

just thought id chime in. i dont care about your pushrods or your hp/l convo.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

hows that goin for ya? seems to me like BMWs getting beat by a guy whos playing with a bunch of spare parts and two "washed up" drivers.

just thought id chime in. i dont care about your pushrods or your hp/l convo.

Lol I need to come over and play some forza yo

[bimmershark]

hows that goin for ya? seems to me like BMWs getting beat by a guy whos playing with a bunch of spare parts and two "washed up" drivers.

just thought id chime in. i dont care about your pushrods or your hp/l convo.

i love bmws alot but every motor has ups and downs. there is nothing like the feeling and sound of say a big or small block with a aggressive cam that shakes the whole car when idling. but there is also a nice smooth feeling with say bmws six . they both work well for what they are.

[rotodouche]

Lol I need to come over and play some forza yo

hell ya motha trucka. i cant really do much else so you can come anytime.

[Anthony]

I knew you would bring up the 4 second wonder motor. And if rules and regulations would allow it they would all be overhead cam. But that's just basic American racing, where they try in someway to tie the race car to production cars. So you ford owners can all be proud. If you aloud any NHR top fuel teams to run overhead cam motors there would be no push rods left. BMW is a sedan company they don't build performance sports cars and there numbers are in the black. Unlike Chevrolet who just filed bank bankruptcy. We did build a performance sports car that killed the zr1 called the m1. Dad was going to tell you good night but he said since you called him an idiot to fuck off. lol

Here is the m1

vrooooooooooom.

http://www.zcars.com.au/images/bmw-m1-hommage1.jpg


You know I don't have any problems with you Anthony and I wasn't trying to argue. It's the internet and I would never talk to you like this in real life. But fo realz man that's my Dad, and he is by no means an idiot.


lol i dont have a problem with you or you dad but the fact is hes a idiot for calling pushrod motors crap.sorry bmw or almost any other company cant compete with the old backwoods redneck pushrod using leaf spring having "race car"

so its funny the m1 never made it to a production line,got anything else that could possibly kill the 30yr old technology? hell they cant beat a regular z06 and its got fucking leaf springs

[h0mesk3wLLed]

lol i dont have a problem with you or you dad but the fact is hes a idiot for calling pushrod motors crap.sorry bmw or almost any other company cant compete with the old backwoods redneck pushrod using leaf spring having "race car"

so its funny the m1 never made it to a production line,got anything else that could possibly kill the 30yr old technology? hell they cant beat a regular z06 and its got fucking leaf springs

Haha yeah I realized that after I posted it. No I don't have anything els. Dad is asleep so I have no more fancy remarks. But BMW doesn't build 2 seat performance cars, and we don't need 7 letres to make 500hp. I like cars that rev, and the m3 revs 2000rpms higher than the Z06. But your right. Every car is different, and every car is better at something. I just can't think of anything the push rod is better at than the overhead cam? If BMW wanted to destroy the Z06 with an overhead cam using way less litres, even you know, they could. It would be very easy for them. They just don't need to. Take a Z06 with its big sloppy engine and short suspension and go around a corner. and take an m3 and go around that same corner. Lets say there was a bump in the road, the Z06 would be off the road. the m3 has enough suspension it would be fine. The Z06 isn't a praticle car. You can't take your family on a road trip and they suck for daily driving. Dad drove a brand new one the other day, Manual transmission and everything. Him and every tech said they hated it. he said it was fast as hell but still handled like shit. When I look at a car I look at hp vs litre. If a car has 100hp per litre it's a good car. Your way smarter than me about cars Anthony and you know way more then I ever may. But you have to admit OVER ALL the overhead cam is better than the push rod.

[Anthony]

lol at certain things the ohc is better at yes and certain things like power to dollar and size the pushrod will win,the pushrod will also get better mpg.i have a ohc motor and know all about it and i have to rev the shit out of it to get any kind of numbers.power is not about peak hp its about power under the curve.

your dad obviously loves bmw and thats all because the new z06 is faster in a straight line and around a track than anything bmw produces at this time.its as nice as a m3 inside and just as comfortable.i love m series bimmers they just in stock form cant compete with a corvette.im even talking about the regular z06 the zr1 is on another lever entirely.the z06 with 500 hp still gets 24mpg around town on the norm and sometimes low 30's on the highway.the closest thing bmw has on power is the v10 m5/m6 and they dont get anywhere near the same times on any track and nowhere near the same mpg as the pushrod vettes.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

lol at certain things the ohc is better at yes and certain things like power to dollar and size the pushrod will win,the pushrod will also get better mpg.i have a ohc motor and know all about it and i have to rev the shit out of it to get any kind of numbers.power is not about peak hp its about power under the curve.

your dad obviously loves bmw and thats all because the new z06 is faster in a straight line and around a track than anything bmw produces at this time.its as nice as a m3 inside and just as comfortable.i love m series bimmers they just in stock form cant compete with a corvette.im even talking about the regular z06 the zr1 is on another lever entirely.the z06 with 500 hp still gets 24mpg around town on the norm and sometimes low 30's on the highway.the closest thing bmw has on power is the v10 m5/m6 and they dont get anywhere near the same times on any track and nowhere near the same mpg as the pushrod vettes.

Dude you have no idea how much I learned about cars tonight. I didn't even know what an overhead cam and push rod was 30 minutes ago lol

I see what your saying, your right. I agree with you on everything.

Besides this " its as nice as a m3 inside and just as comfortable " common dude. Really?

[rotodouche]

ya im pretty sure the vette is faster around the 'ring than the m3. could be wrong. still not taking a side. theyre really not comperable cars. the m3 is a 4 seater, the vette a 2. completely drifferent when it comes to racing or whos fastest in any aspect. im sure the m3 weigs like 800 lbs more than the vette. theyre just built for different purposes. can we just agree on that and move the fuck on? if you wanted to run 11 second passes and drive home with the AC on, youd buy a vette. if you wanted a very luxurious car that you could take your kids to school in and enjoy the twisties on the way back, youd buy the bimmer. its all about what your priorities are, and its idiotic to keep arguing about it.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

ya im pretty sure the vette is faster around the 'ring than the m3. could be wrong. still not taking a side. theyre really not comperable cars. the m3 is a 4 seater, the vette a 2. completely drifferent when it comes to racing or whos fastest in any aspect. im sure the m3 weigs like 800 lbs more than the vette. theyre just built for different purposes. can we just agree on that and move the fuck on? if you wanted to run 11 second passes and drive home with the AC on, youd buy a vette. if you wanted a very luxurious car that you could take your kids to school in and enjoy the twisties on the way back, youd buy the bimmer. its all about what your priorities are, and its idiotic to keep arguing about it.

+1 very true. And the vette is faster than any bimmer in all ways :(

But like you said there 2 completely different cars.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

hell ya motha trucka. i cant really do much else so you can come anytime.

I'm leaving tomorrow and I'll be gone for a week. But after that, we chill. And I want to see the 240

[rotodouche]

+1 very true. And the vette is faster than any bimmer in all ways :(

But like you said there 2 completely different cars.

indeed. ever try to take 3 bitches home in a vette? the BMW has its advantages...

[h0mesk3wLLed]

indeed. ever try to take 3 bitches home in a vette? the BMW has its advantages...

How did we even get on the topic bmw vs vette? the original argument was overhead cam vs push rod. anyways back on topic I found my turbo setup.

S50 Cams
ARP2k studs
.140" MLS
Cartech manifold
SC61 turbo
Maximum PSI PnP AEM EMS

Now I just need a job :cool:

[Anthony]

indeed. ever try to take 3 bitches home in a vette? the BMW has its advantages...

lol kinda hard when the bitches are already married isnt it.


i already said earlier that both cars are for different things just like the motors with that said if i could i would buy both.m3 as a daily and a z06 as my weekend night time toy

[Anthony]

How did we even get on the topic bmw vs vette? the original argument was overhead cam vs push rod. anyways back on topic I found my turbo setup.

S50 Cams
ARP2k studs
.140" MLS
Cartech manifold
SC61 turbo
Maximum PSI PnP AEM EMS

Now I just need a job :cool:

there ya go,do it the right way the first time.it lasts alot longer and will cause you alot less problems.

[h0mesk3wLLed]

there ya go,do it the right way the first time.it lasts alot longer and will cause you alot less problems.

Took a while to convince me lol Like you said, in the long run It would be smarter. Now what should I do about the piping?

[Anthony]

Took a while to convince me lol Like you said, in the long run It would be smarter. Now what should I do about the piping?

you can get the ebay piping even the intercooler,thats what i ran for awhile and its actually really nice.just look for a universal kit

[h0mesk3wLLed]

you can get the ebay piping even the intercooler,thats what i ran for awhile and its actually really nice.just look for a universal kit

Cool stuff. I'm making a list now. I'll just have to start collecting all of it slowly one part at a time until I get a real job. I need to stop spending my money on stupid stuff, and save up.

[02vortec]

Well your push rod engine weighs more and puts out less horsepower per litre. You can not increase the revolutions to overcome the piston engines inherited short coming of reciprocating mass. there for push rods suck. you could never push the envelope such as a 1.5 litre developing 1300+ hp done in the early 80s by BMW with stock engine blocks and crank shafts... do that with your push rod motor. :tongue:


Dad told me to type all that lol I'm sure you know it wasn't me hahahaa

Horsepower. Worlds fastest top fuel dragsters and funny cars.......
Push rod v8's..... 8000+ horsepower. Low 4 second 1/4 mile.... over 300mph trap speed....PUSHROD V8.


.... worlds fastest street cars. I believe 1 through 10 are all pushrod cars dipshit. Your dad isn't home right now so you probably found that on bimmerforums or on wikipedia

Ultima GT-R worlds Quickest 0-60 street car. 6.3L Chevy pushrod v8....
SSC Ultimate Aero... Worlds fastest production car.... Chevrolet Pushrod V8....257.41mph & 2.9 second 0-60 and 9.4 @ 144mph 1/4 mile.

Chevy Z06 7.0L 505bhp. Stock 1/4 mile record- 10.8 @ 130mph
+17mpg city & 27mpg highway...
Vs.
BMW M3 4.0L 430bhp.... With all of gizmo's and gadgets..... 12.4 @ 114mph....... 14mpg city & 20mpg highway

Brand new BMW M3 coupe loaded and Z06 cost almost the same.... lol.... suck it.

About the only thing you OHC guys got is the texas speed mile.... a supra owns that record in the street class. I don't know of any bmw powered anythings owning any record....

[02vortec]

BMW M5 + cams, intake and exhaust. VS. stock z06 lol....
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[h0mesk3wLLed]

Horsepower. Worlds fastest top fuel dragsters and funny cars.......
Push rod v8's..... 8000+ horsepower. Low 4 second 1/4 mile.... over 300mph trap speed....PUSHROD V8.


.... worlds fastest street cars. I believe 1 through 10 are all pushrod cars dipshit. Your dad isn't home right now so you probably found that on bimmerforums or on wikipedia

Ultima GT-R worlds Quickest 0-60 street car. 6.3L Chevy pushrod v8....
SSC Ultimate Aero... Worlds fastest production car.... Chevrolet Pushrod V8....257.41mph & 2.9 second 0-60 and 9.4 @ 144mph 1/4 mile.

Chevy Z06 7.0L 505bhp. Stock 1/4 mile record- 10.8 @ 130mph
+17mpg city & 27mpg highway...
Vs.
BMW M3 4.0L 430bhp.... With all of gizmo's and gadgets..... 12.4 @ 114mph....... 14mpg city & 20mpg highway

Brand new BMW M3 coupe loaded and Z06 cost almost the same.... lol.... suck it.

About the only thing you OHC guys got is the texas speed mile.... a supra owns that record in the street class. I don't know of any bmw powered anythings owning any record....


Well. you know what.. your mom


And I forgot about that SSC Ultimate Aero thing. Kinda defeats everything I posted before lol

This had nothing to do with BMW. It was OHC vs pushrod. And yes dad told me every word I typed before. If you read my before post I talked about the top fuel dragsters. and BMW powered the mclaren f1 which held the record for quit a long time if I remember. and the world’s fastest saloon is a 750BHP BMW M5. and the e39 m5 was also the worlds fastest stock 4 door car on the planet. the e60 m5 has the worlds most advanced computer system ever and was awarded best car on the planet. and the BMW m3 has won more circuit races than any other car in the world lol but yeah..... crap

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[02vortec]

BMW's are sex. and DOHC motors can be fucking awesome. But pushrods pwn the record books and still continue to do it.

BMW's old formula 1 1.5L's where sick shit but..... anyways back on topic. I wouldnt trust a china man turbo or wastegate. So I would to that turbo kit + full fuel system and tuning + Holset turbo and good wastegate sir.

[Only_In_A_Domestic]

wow this thread went crazy

[h0mesk3wLLed]

BMW's are sex. and DOHC motors can be fucking awesome. But pushrods pwn the record books and still continue to do it.

BMW's old formula 1 1.5L's where sick shit but..... anyways back on topic. I wouldnt trust a china man turbo or wastegate. So I would to that turbo kit + full fuel system and tuning + Holset turbo and good wastegate sir.

Your right :(

But back on topic. Can you help me with the tuning? Me and dad can put the turbo on but we have no idea how to tune it :confused:

[02vortec]

Yes sir, I'm sure I could figure it out :D

[amanda]

so uh...ebay kit time? lolz

[STiDriven]

Yes sir, I'm sure I could figure it out :D
The famous last words.

[ajstefanacci]

Yes sir, I'm sure I could figure it out :D

shutup you fuckin meatball!!

[02vortec]

shutup you fuckin meatball!!


YOUR A FUCKING MEAT BALL! Munkey butt head!

If I can figure out how to make a blazer go fast I hope to god I can figure out how to make his bmw go faster :D.

[ajstefanacci]

YOUR A FUCKING MEAT BALL! Munkey butt head!

If I can figure out how to make a blazer go fast I hope to god I can figure out how to make his bmw go faster :D.

I'm not doubting you lol, I thaught you would have hit those kids last night for shit talkin though.

[02vortec]

All I heard was then calling people meat balls. what else did they say?