so many questions...

[96TEG_gsr]

so in my pursuit to increase horsepower... i'm looking into more boltons until i can really afford something major like redoing my exhaust system. i'm looking into pulleys. BUT, my question is which kit? i noticed bbk has two different kits for the mustang. a SFI kit which includes a damper, and the "accessory" pulley kit. is there a significant difference in each kit besides what they come with? can somebody help me out a bit?

[96TEG_gsr]

nobody?

[VTC_WS6]

Wait, you drive a ..?

[Hazzvd?b]

appparentlllyyyy a 1996 Integra GSR ...

Just a guess..

[b.o.g.]

so in my pursuit to increase horsepower... i'm looking into more boltons until i can really afford something major like redoing my exhaust system. i'm looking into pulleys. BUT, my question is which kit? i noticed bbk has two different kits for the mustang. a SFI kit which includes a damper, and the "accessory" pulley kit. is there a significant difference in each kit besides what they come with? can somebody help me out a bit?

%90 of pulleys out there are just a waist of money, and if you dont have any real modifcations done on the internals its pretty pointless. what you should do is decide what you want to build the car for. save your money and do it in stages....pulleys are not the first stage.

[96TEG_gsr]

no... i sold that a long time ago and bought a 2000 mustang gt. sorry for the mix up... havent been on here in a while, and havent requested a change of user ID... so now that i've corrected things here, can someone help me?

[96TEG_gsr]

my mods are very normal.. cold air intake, throttle body, clutch, short shifter, catless xpipe, and flowmasters. no headers, just stock manifolds.

[eliotkb]

3.73 gears?

[Anthony]

wouldnt bother with the pulleys they dont do much of anything and cost a fair amount.what are your long term plans as far as power/power adder?

ditch the chokemaster they might sound ok but they are truly shit,gears should be next 3.73 if your planning on a twinscrew and 4.10's if nitrous/centrifugal blower/na.they will make the biggest difference out of everthing you do.then try and get a plenum to finish off the boltons.i would just put a bottle on it and get a nice tune and have fun.anymore than that and your going to be looking at big money to take it much farther


you can pick up a used blower or even piece together a new kit pretty damn cheap these days depending on how far you want to go.

keep in the back of your mind that the 4.6 isnt the strongest motor out of the bunch

[96TEG_gsr]

what do you mean by chokemaster? ah... flowmaster? what route should i go then? i want to go forced, but i dont have the money. i want to basily take it to like 325 and leave it. take it to the track once in a while and not worry about running a 10 1/8 lol. im not looking to have 400hp... i just want to take it over 300whp. i do have a plenum, but havent installed it yet. right now, it's dyno'd at 234 whp and 279 wtq. pretty cheesy... maybe just redo the exhaust, install the plenum and change out intake manifold and tune it?

[stevieg]

put a lsx in it if you want to go fast.

[Jeffie ON JUICE]

WWW. rpmoutlet.com
if u call there ask for Jeff
pulleys maybe get u 2 hp, I would suggest a tune, intake and some coils with new plugs for the time being. But sorry to burst your bubble the most u will probaly make with every bolt on will be on a good day 275rwhp.

[ISMELLRICE]

Ur not gonna make 300 hp with the money u got bro...unless u buy a cheap n20 kit other than that for about $400 u can have 410's which I hear are the biggest bang for ur buck. I made the mistake of buying so much shit when I had my 02 gt, I should of just got 410's first

[96ekhatch]

should have kept the GSR,lol.

[Anthony]

flomasters are pretty crappy mufflers.im not sure what you want to spend but getting a used setup is pretty cheap most of the time.i have a steeda catback which is 640$ so they do get pretty expensive.best bang for the buck that sounds pretty good are magnaflow and MAC,although sometimes the fitment on mac isnt the greatest.if you find a borla kit or bassani used cheap pick it up too.usually weld in mufflers arent the greatest

what i would suggest to you if your just looking for 325 is to get a set of stock heads on the cheap(maybe 100$) do a home port job on them and buy a set of hiteck stage 2 cams.should be about 1000 total with the cams and install and second set of heads.that combo right there will be good for 310+ on motor and will still leave you with the option to buy a nitrous kit and make 400hp and 500+torque pretty safely.you can also piece together a vortech/procharger kit for 1k-1500. the entire mounting kit and piping and everything is only about 650 so the cheaper you find a head unit the cheaper the kit costs.even if its high mileage and needs a rebuild its only 350$ when the time comes


for sure next step would be gear and i would take the 4.10's with the direction your headed.they will work well on motor or with a blower.then when you get a chance get a set of longtubes your car will sound alot better and pick up some nice gains

[b.o.g.]

Ur not gonna make 300 hp with the money u got bro...unless u buy a cheap n20 kit other than that for about $400 u can have 410's which I hear are the biggest bang for ur buck. I made the mistake of buying so much shit when I had my 02 gt, I should of just got 410's first

should of got an STI... this is just cat back, with a pro tune..
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9783/img0493d.jpg (http://img16.imageshack.us/i/img0493d.jpg/)

[ISMELLRICE]

sti=$22k+
99-04 GT= around $7-8k lol...

[96TEG_gsr]

if i were going to spend 20k on a car, i'd buy a gtr.. probly not, but it always sounds good. anyway. thanks for everybody's feedback. helps to have someone else give you input on different product. i've priced out a MAC system. should be around 1200.

i do have a question about heads though. i mentioned getting heads to my dad before and he said i'd have to build up the bottom end more if i did that. i was looking at patriot heads. but if you think it would be cheaper to buy used and build them.

also. has anybody read anything about the bbk dsi intake manifold or should i just stick to something like the trickflow track heat.

[stevieg]

just lsx swap it

/thread

[Anthony]

if i were going to spend 20k on a car, i'd buy a gtr.. probly not, but it always sounds good. anyway. thanks for everybody's feedback. helps to have someone else give you input on different product. i've priced out a MAC system. should be around 1200.

i do have a question about heads though. i mentioned getting heads to my dad before and he said i'd have to build up the bottom end more if i did that. i was looking at patriot heads. but if you think it would be cheaper to buy used and build them.

also. has anybody read anything about the bbk dsi intake manifold or should i just stick to something like the trickflow track heat.

stock bottom end will be fine for a heads and cams setup.dont waste your money on a intake manifold,unless you have some nasty n/a setup or are forced induction it wont really gain you much.i said to get used and do them yourself because it will be cheaper and alot of times works just as well.you can get a set of p.i 2v heads cheap and aftermarket cams/valve springs/retainers for around 700.or you can spend 3k and get the new trickflow heads that are supposed to be the best.in the end the stock ported is the better investment for what your looking for.aftermarket heads are really meant for built motors and are looking for everthing you can get out of the motor.nothing wrong with using a stock bottom end with them just not the best move money wise.


intake,full exhaust and cams should put you around 310hp 300+ torque.you do and electric water pump ,ported heads,intake manifold and underdrive pulleys you could make 350+ and have a pretty nice curve.depending on the cams and the heads you can make alot more.

if your spending 1200 on mac stuff i hope that includes longtube headers.they make a pretty nice set of headers but the catback not everyone has luck with the fitment even though they perform well imo I would try mac longtubes,any brand cttless h or xpipe(your choice for sound) and a bassani stainless axelback,you should beable to get all of that new for less than 1200,if you do alittle shopping around you can find things real cheap

[Buds4me578]

spray it!

[96TEG_gsr]

spray it... HA it's already bad enough i have a lead foot, if it sprayed it, i'd go trigger happy...

the full mac system was for the long tubes, pro chamber (won't go with this part...) and 2 1/2" axle back. probly doesnt come out to 1200, but actually around 950. ill keep everybody posted on the progress. ill be at roys more often too. i need tires and want wheels. so instead of buying tires for 17" wheels, im going to get new tires and wheels. fr500's...pretty rad. possibly anyway... anyway... thanks everybody.

[slow2v]

4v swap..............................................

otherwise without going boost/spray or into the long block you most likely wont ever even hit 250

[slow2v]

WWW. rpmoutlet.com
if u call there ask for Jeff
pulleys maybe get u 2 hp, I would suggest a tune, intake and some coils with new plugs for the time being. But sorry to burst your bubble the most u will probaly make with every bolt on will be on a good day 275rwhp.

he has a 2v not a 3v :rofl1:

[Anthony]

he has a 2v not a 3v :rofl1:

you do know its not real hard to make that power n/a right? its just more expensive dollar vs hp going na instead of boost

[slow2v]

you do know its not real hard to make that power n/a right? its just more expensive dollar vs hp going na instead of boost

without going into the motor?

very few 2Vs break 250 with just bolt ons

EDIT - yes i realize its possible, but for the money a stock 4v will make more power

[Anthony]

without going into the motor?

very few 2Vs break 250 with just bolt ons

youve seen a bunch of bullshit tuned 2v's then,doing cams is about as easy as putting a blower on.and yes without going into the motor,get a nice set of heads and cams a nice intake and boltons and you can easily make 350-360 sometimes more


theres a pi swapped 2v making 330 with just a decent set of ported stock 2v heads on naples racing if you would like to ask him.if you care about n/a power i do believe trueblue02 made alittle more than that with a low compression motor and blower cams.do research and you can make power instead of spending stupid money

[slow2v]

WITHOUT GOING INTO THE MOTOR!!!!!!!!!!

why are you talking about cams and ported heads??
and pi swap cars are different. they have more compression

[slow2v]

youve seen a bunch of bullshit tuned 2v's then,doing cams is about as easy as putting a blower on.and yes without going into the motor,get a nice set of heads and cams a nice intake and boltons and you can easily make 350-360 sometimes more


theres a pi swapped 2v making 330 with just a decent set of ported stock 2v heads on naples racing if you would like to ask him.if you care about n/a power i do believe trueblue02 made alittle more than that with a low compression motor and blower cams.do research and you can make power instead of spending stupid money

:wtf:

[Anthony]

WITHOUT GOING INTO THE MOTOR!!!!!!!!!!

why are you talking about cams and ported heads??
and pi swap cars are different. they have more compression

lol thats not going into the motor thats going into the heads.why bring up a 4v swap and not a head swap? the 4v swap is a big more complicated

[slow2v]

lol thats not going into the motor thats going into the heads.why bring up a 4v swap and not a head swap? the 4v swap is a big more complicated

i said longblock

are you trying to aruge with me just cuz your bored or something?
ported heads = not stock motor
cams = not stock motor
internals = not stock motor

and for the record stock internal 4Vs make the same power as 2Vs with cams and ported heads. really no winning this argument. your going to talk about 2Vs putting down 350, 4Vs do that b4 cams and head work

Nazman put down 537 :SolidStraight:

[slow2v]

and i think we all know 4v swap = entire motor 99.99999999 percent of time not just heads them selves

[Anthony]

i said longblock

are you trying to aruge with me just cuz your bored or something?
ported heads = not stock motor
cams = not stock motor
internals = not stock motor

and for the record stock internal 4Vs make the same power as 2Vs with cams and ported heads. really no winning this argument. your going to talk about 2Vs putting down 350, 4Vs do that b4 cams and head work

Nazman put down 537 :SolidStraight:

no im trying to argue because your wrong,you never said longblock anywhere you said motor.you can have a stock motor with aftermarket heads can you not? its all how you word it the motor is still stock the heads are not...

once again a bunch of bullshit 2v cars is what you have seen if they only make what a stock 4v makes when they have heads and cams.a stock 4v makes roughly 265-to 270 to the wheels and will make 300 after full exhaust and intake.

i can pull up atleast 3 2v's that are cam only that make alittle over 300 if you really feel your right i can and will prove you wrong.just because its not the norm doesnt mean its not already been done.

id love you to show me one stock 4v make 360 lol

[slow2v]

jeff said bolt ons ok?
after market heads is going into a motor. stop aruging about it

you just mentioned cammed 2Vs putting down 300. a full bolt on 4v with a stock longblock (cams, internals, heads etc since i have to be nice and clear with you) with put down more then that

and thier are stock longblock 4Vs getting VERY close to 350 if not breaking 350. 2Vs need head work And cams to get anywhere near that

[slow2v]

id love you to show me one stock 4v make 360 lol

a psri full bolt on mach 1 with stock 96-98 cams

[slow2v]

i can pull up atleast 3 2v's that are cam only that make alittle over 300 if you really feel your right i can and will prove you wrong.just because its not the norm doesnt mean its not already been done.


your not proving me wrong when your not saying anything i dont know

trevor in TX surprised alot of people with his 2v. at one time i know for a fact he held the cam olny record (or atleast claimed to). anyways, he put down just over 300rwhp and ran low 12s. theirs stock longblock 96-98 cobras running mid 11s on svt-performance

[Anthony]

jeff said bolt ons ok?
after market heads is going into a motor. stop aruging about it

you just mentioned cammed 2Vs putting down 300. a full bolt on 4v with a stock longblock (cams, internals, heads etc since i have to be nice and clear with you) with put down more then that

and thier are stock longblock 4Vs getting VERY close to 350 if not breaking 350. 2Vs need head work And cams to get anywhere near that

im not arguing about a 4v having more n/a power potential,2 more valves per cylinder is obviously going to give more airflow which =more power. you said a stock 4v motor/longblock STOCK will make 350 and when i called your shit out saying to show me you changed it to stock longblock with full boltons and started with the jeff said this.i dont give a shit what jeff said its what we were talking about not him

you never said longblock once again stop trying to say you did

i gave him useful info because hes not going to swap a motor if you had actually read the thread you would know this.he wanted to know his options on things he can do that arent a shit ton of money,normally a cam setup will be less money that a 4v swap

[Anthony]

your not proving me wrong when your not saying anything i dont know

trevor in TX surprised alot of people with his 2v. at one time i know for a fact he held the cam olny record (or atleast claimed to). anyways, he put down just over 300rwhp and ran low 12s. theirs stock longblock 96-98 cobras running mid 11s on svt-performance

great once again not the topic were talking about but yes his gt makes decent numbers for cams only

[slow2v]

im not arguing about a 4v having more n/a power potential,2 more valves per cylinder is obviously going to give more airflow which =more power. you said a stock 4v motor/longblock STOCK will make 350 and when i called your shit out saying to show me you changed it to stock longblock with full boltons and started with the jeff said this.i dont give a shit what jeff said its what we were talking about not him

you never said longblock once again stop trying to say you did

i gave him useful info because hes not going to swap a motor if you had actually read the thread you would know this.

when i say motor i mean longblock

last time i checked they were the same thing

[slow2v]

i gave him useful info because hes not going to swap a motor if you had actually read the thread you would know this.he wanted to know his options on things he can do that arent a shit ton of money

i gave him useful info as well.
the swap can be done for well under 1500 bucks and your going to pick up a solid 50 hp and have a higher revving motor with alot more potential

then bolt on vs bolt on the 4v will really shine

[Anthony]

when i say motor i mean longblock

last time i checked they were the same thing

once again trying to change the subject.heads arent a motor to me you blow a motor up when you make too much hp not a heads(dont try and twist the wording we both know what im saying)

motor to me is a shortblock aka bottom end

heads=heads

longblock is heads and bottom end

im still waiting on your 350 hp completely stock 4v no boltons

[slow2v]

once again trying to change the subject.heads arent a motor to me you blow a motor up when you make too much hp not a heads(dont try and twist the wording we both know what im saying)

motor to me is a shortblock aka bottom end

heads=heads

longblock is heads and bottom end

so a shortblock is a motor? hows the motor run without cams and heads?

and this all started when i made a respond to jeff saying with bolt ons....bolt ons have nothing to do with heads, cams, etc

when you buy a complete motor it comes with heads and cams btw. usually a fucking intake as well.

[slow2v]

just imagine how pissed somebody would be if i sold them my motor and didnt give them the top end :rofl1:

[Anthony]

so a shortblock is a motor? hows the motor run without cams and heads?

and this all started when i made a respond to jeff saying with bolt ons....bolt ons have nothing to do with heads, cams, etc

when you buy a complete motor it comes with heads and cams btw. usually a fucking intake as well.

as much shit as i can make up your going to keep arquing about :rofl1:


when you show me a bone stock 4.6 4v motor with no bolt ons that makes from 350-to 360 i will continue this conversation with you.

and yes the motor will need a few other things to run including parts called spark plugs but i forgot thats parts of a motor too

you dont drop a motor to put heads on do you? they bolt right the fuck on in about the same time as a blower to be installed ask me how i know...

[Anthony]

just imagine how pissed somebody would be if i sold them my motor and didnt give them the top end :rofl1:

i really wouldnt care as long as it was stated it wasnt a longblock

[slow2v]

as much shit as i can make up your going to keep arquing about :rofl1:


when you show me a bone stock 4.6 4v motor with no bolt ons that makes from 350-to 360 i will continue this conversation with you.

and yes the motor will need a few other things to run including parts called spark plugs but i forgot thats parts of a motor too

you dont drop a motor to put heads one do you? they bolt right the fuck on in about the same time as a blower to be installed ask me how i know...

when did i ever say without bolt ons?

[slow2v]

i really wouldnt care as long as it was stated it wasnt a longblock

he didnt say longblock. he said motor

guess that means all he has to give them is my shortblock cuz you know everything :rofl1:

[Anthony]

he didnt say longblock. he said motor

guess that means all he has to give them is my shortblock cuz you know everything :rofl1:

wtf are you talking about? your talking about selling your motor now? who the fuck is someone giving a motor

[slow2v]

wtf are you talking about? your talking about selling your motor now? who the fuck is someone giving a motor

phil posted my motor for sale a long time ago correct?
follow along

you said motor is olny a shortblock
so i guess phil doenst have to includ cams and heads becuase you dont consider heads part of a motor

:ugh2:

[Anthony]

i am so fucking confused at what your talking about and you still dont get where im going with this :cool:

[slow2v]

i think somebody wishes they had a 4v

[Anthony]

i think somebody wishes they had a 4v

if i wanted a 4v i would have bought one

[slow2v]

instead you have a stock 2v with a blower and forged internals :ugh2:

[Anthony]

instead you have a stock 2v with a blower and forged internals :ugh2:

your point? still trying to say my car doesnt come with everything minus the bottom end from the factory?




read my pm and youll figure it out,incase you dont read my last few comments

[slow2v]

:rofl1:

[96TEG_gsr]

this is awesome. i dont know if you guys have ever seen monte python and the holy grail or not, but it reminds me of the part where the two french guys start arguing about the birds carrying coconuts.
i was looking into an eaton supercharger, but then realized everything that went into it. basicly the top end of an 03-04 cobra. top end - heads, blower lower runners, the plenum, TB, injectors. blah blah blah blah....

ill have to agree short block is the bottom end only. block and internals. a long block includes the heads. when i had my TEG i was looking into type R swaps. supposed low milage "short blocks" and "long blocks". they both made clear in text that it was either block and internals or block and internals, along with head cam, valves and all that. which, if you've ever been on ebay, most postings include photos of the product. so when it comes to you guys arguing about terms of long block and short block, i'm sure if you search wikipedia.org it would say the same thing.

as a matter of fact, this is what wikipedia has to say:

Short block is an automotive (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Automotive) term describing an engine (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Engine) sub-assembly.
A short block is the portion of the engine block below the head gasket (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Head_gasket) but above the oil pan. A flathead engine (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Flathead_engine) will also include the cam (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Cam) and valvetrain (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Valvetrain). The overhead valve (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Overhead_valve) style of engine will not include the aforementioned parts on the shortblock. A shortblock is usually purchased to upgrade the water jacket (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Water_jacket), piston (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Piston) size or bore (http://www.swflracing.com/w/index.php?title=Bore_engines&action=edit&redlink=1). Assemblies typically include the crankshaft (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Crankshaft) installed and balanced along with the main bearing (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Main_bearing).
A short block is considered destroyed when it either warps or cracks.

so im sure a long block is comparable in description. ...thought i would put my 2 pennies in on the debate...

[Anthony]

this is awesome. i dont know if you guys have ever seen monte python and the holy grail or not, but it reminds me of the part where the two french guys start arguing about the birds carrying coconuts.
i was looking into an eaton supercharger, but then realized everything that went into it. basicly the top end of an 03-04 cobra. top end - heads, blower lower runners, the plenum, TB, injectors. blah blah blah blah....

ill have to agree short block is the bottom end only. block and internals. a long block includes the heads. when i had my TEG i was looking into type R swaps. supposed low milage "short blocks" and "long blocks". they both made clear in text that it was either block and internals or block and internals, along with head cam, valves and all that. which, if you've ever been on ebay, most postings include photos of the product. so when it comes to you guys arguing about terms of long block and short block, i'm sure if you search wikipedia.org it would say the same thing.

as a matter of fact, this is what wikipedia has to say:

Short block is an automotive (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Automotive) term describing an engine (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Engine) sub-assembly.
A short block is the portion of the engine block below the head gasket (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Head_gasket) but above the oil pan. A flathead engine (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Flathead_engine) will also include the cam (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Cam) and valvetrain (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Valvetrain). The overhead valve (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Overhead_valve) style of engine will not include the aforementioned parts on the shortblock. A shortblock is usually purchased to upgrade the water jacket (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Water_jacket), piston (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Piston) size or bore (http://www.swflracing.com/w/index.php?title=Bore_engines&action=edit&redlink=1). Assemblies typically include the crankshaft (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Crankshaft) installed and balanced along with the main bearing (http://www.swflracing.com/wiki/Main_bearing).
A short block is considered destroyed when it either warps or cracks.

so im sure a long block is comparable in description. ...thought i would put my 2 pennies in on the debate...


you missed what i did, i was seeing how long i could get him to argue for,seeing as hes good at it,it wasnt hard.45 minutes later and he thought i was serious about a motor being only the bottom end

even though i had already given hints in the thread about it

[1FAST3V]

I have a 3v, what now!! lol this thread is funny.

[slow2v]

I have a 3v, what now!! lol this thread is funny.

4>3>2 *Popcorn*

[Anthony]

4>3>2 *Popcorn*

money=fast anything

[slow2v]

money=fast anything

bascially :thumbup:

[96TEG_gsr]

yeah... if i could tap into my body shop account, i'd have's me a fast car, but you know... gotta keep the place open and pay the bills...

slowly but surely... i just might break 300hp...